Sunday, 30 October 2011

Chocolate & Cream RBr Paint

Dave has not let me down! I asked the question of how many colours actual go on the carriages.

Thanks Dave.

Dave replied:

Ref your comment on last Thursday's Blog about the number of paint colours used on the RBr, for interest I have listed these as follows: -

red oxide
grey etch primer
u/c light grey
u/c cream
u/c brown
u/c white
t/c cream
t/c brown
t/c white
t/c light executive grey
t/c yellow (Goldcup)
t/c Royal Mail red
t/c silver grey
t/c flint grey
t/c black (Brush Finish)
t/c underframe black
t/c dark grey (blue-bias)
t/c orange
t/c light blue
t/c Oxford Blue
stove white
stove silver
stove black
black tyre paint
yellow-cream emulsion
white wood primer
clear varnish
black bitumastic paint

Counting varnish and primers, it comes to 28, and I expect I've forgotten something! The RBr is exceptional with all the extra paints for the kitchen area and utilities, and the emulsion for the seating area.

Typically the cost of all primers, paints, varnish and transfers for a coach is about £400-£600 depending on the level of refurbishment, and the vehicle type and livery.

Saturday 29th. A Day of Doors

I am away on Grandparent duties. A ninth birthday for the eldest GC.
So our thanks to Dave for the report of Saturdays activity.
Saturday was a very busy day with a number of both large and small jobs undertaken, plus tours of Carriage and Wagon for the latest Silver Fire and Drive Experience and two visitors from Norfolk, and the first of a series of meetings to improve H&S in C&W. There were 15 volunteers in.

Early morning tea and general chat about the railway, what we have done, and are likely to do during the day.

Grenville Care with his cuppa.

Work continued apace on the RBr. The remaining double door to be completed (its on the wall side), was causing problems: -

Chris Taylor working on the strip of wood from the top of the door portal that was preventing door closure.

And once it shut the closing bolt at the base of the small door made it necessary to fit a metal angle strip to the door step. This had already been cut out and John Hamer  proceeded to grind this down to size.

The metal angle strip being sized up in its eventual location above the step.


Martin Jauch completed a lot of painting around the Kitchen door entrance of the RBr with Light Executive Grey top coat.

Cheryl and Dave refitted the grab handles for the two emergency exit doors on the RBr, after which Cheryl tidied up the black paintwork on both.

Cheryl also continued with some of the remaining lining out on the wallside of the RBr.

Posture dear posture!!!!

A considerable amount of work was done by Richard Johnson and Phil Salter on the sliding door linking the corridor of the RBr with the kitchen area. Problems were encountered when the door was closed in that the door base was catching on the lino and underlying flooring.

Phil Salter working on the top section of the sliding door.

The door to the store cupboard in the RBr was refitted having been previously painted in Light Executive Grey. Much of the corridor, and the store, staff compartment, and parts of the kitchen area have been painted in this colour.

Peter Hackett, Paul Wood and Phil Salter carefully maneuvering the store cupboard door into position. Is this many hands or to many cooks?

Paul Wood cleared the area within the kitchen for the new fridge. The fridge was later installed by Paul, Richard and Phil. The nearly new fridge was very kindly donated by John Hughes, one of our Thursday volunteers.
More progress on TSO 4790 in the Barn: -

Steve Barnfield continues with the seemingly never-ending task of creating new end panels for the seats.

Grenville Care continues with the greying-up of the exterior - the area underneath windows is particularly prone to corrosion, and thus often requiring replacement with a new section of metal, as was the case here (note the missing window!).

The light grey undercoat not only provides a base covering but also shows up every depression in the panel work, and is thus an excellent indicator for showing where more body work is required.

So he didn't just come in for the tea.

John Osborn continued with his welding of the first of the four new corner sections. In the workshop two further prefabricated corners have been prepared and primed ready for fitting.

On the CK 7221 (combined first and second class compartments) garden siding: -

Derek Clark continued with the replacement of sections of rotten flooring in the CK.

John Hill continued with his work to re-upholster the CK seating.

on the Elegant Excursions Kitchen Car: -

John Hamer and Dave Clark did some minor repairs to the bodywork.
John reseated a loose panel that had been used to cover a large hole,
while Dave did some more repairs to the paintwork.
Dave Clark taking the first of the two C&W tours for the Fire and Drive participants. The tour also visited the Signal Box. and got to drive 2807, while the 8F was on the train rosta for the day.

Dave later took two further visitors from Norfolk on an extensive tour of Carriage and Wagon, and the Yard.

After lunch the first of a series of meetings was held in the Mess Room to review H & S procedures in Carriage and Wagon. As happens in C&W Dennis Richards and Chris Taylor both have extensive experience of H & S guidance within their normal jobs so provide very useful experience.

Grenville and Cheryl discuss tactics - probably deciding what to do about Deputy Heads who hand out work and then spend half the day talking to visitors.

Saturday, 29 October 2011

Lining and Lettering

We spend a great deal of time lining the carriages and the numbering is done by transfer.  I don't think we will get anywhere vagely close to this. The real way to do it. It's well worth 6 minutes of your time to sit back and watch in awe at the skill now largely lost. Thanks for the link Richard we'll keep trying.

Thursday, 27 October 2011

Thursday 27th What A Day!

What a day indeed, it never stopped raining all day. So perhaps with nothing else to do we had 15 volunteers turn up.

The carriage washing turned into an interior clean today, no one wanted to get soaked before we even started.

Having intimated we would try and get the RBr 1672 out next week some reviewing of the situation has taken place. As the song has it, 'We think we better think it out again'.

An appraisal of the interior work still outstanding really needs the carriage to stay in the workshop a bit longer and as we never did get round to doing any varnishing today, the exterior is also not likely to be ready either.

So what did we do all day. Well there were some distractions 2807 returned from the Keithley & Worth Valley Railway were it went for their gala and apparently aquitted itself well.

and the Electro-Diesel was on a driver experience day moving around the yard and station.

Then there was


And no we didn't eat them all.

Robin, seen here undercoating the front of a kitchen draw white, went on the record painting in seven different colours in one day!

So here's a question,

We call the coach Chocolate and Cream, 2 colours, but just how many colours of paint will we have applied to the RBr when we have finished?  

My guess, and it is a guess, is about 20.

That should keep Dave and Richard awake all night! .......We will want a full list.

As a start Cheryl and I almost completed the wall side lining, Yellow and Black.

This is the bit we didn't do as the door was being worked on and still needed it second top coat.

When I left, Dave was just getting round to doing the brown. 

and there are 3 door stubs still to be painted black.

On the inside of the RBr there was a hive of activity with Roger Wicker,  Peter Lucas, Ron Woodruff and Robin Moore applying light-grey, Executive Grey and some undercoat, to various corners and corridors and some sort of silver to the radiator covers.

Roger on corridor paneling and aching knees.

Peter Lucus in the kitchen entrance.

And I must not forget the endologist Ron Bennett.

Having affixed the rubber of the corridor connector, it took a lot of work over several days. He finished it of with a coat of Tyre Rubber Black.

Jeff Brodrick spent a good deal of time taking the door trimming of this door so that he could fit the new lower panel, left for us by the Wednesday boys, and then of course he had to re-assemble it all again. it was another case of old screw holes no longer up to the job in places. Not uncommon problem but one that takes time to overcome.

Just because we are trying to finish one carriage doesn't mean the other get totally neglected.

John Hamer having fixed some trim strip to the Rbr, (which I then primed and later undercoated), set about SO 4790. He was joined by John Osborn progressing the corner welding and John Hughes cleaning up the sliding window runners.

A good day al round despite the weather.

Wednesday 26th

Another good turn out with 19 willing workers.

The door team had a good day with that centre door from CK 7221 cleaned up and two compartment door now looking spic and span. 

Also on show was their handy work at putting a complete new frame in one of SO 4790's door frame. Sorry no picture of this but what I could see did look good. It was the wrong way up from a photo point of view.

The door trimming on the RBr has also progressed but we still need a bit more work on the wall side centre doors. Also apparent was some extensive panelling in the corridor past the kitchen. Well done everybody.

Tuesday, 25 October 2011

Tuesday 25th - Dave's doing overtime again.

You still won't get paid any more but you never know you may get a free bacon butty from the On Train Caterers when we roll out the RBr W 1672.

However, this does highlight the problem we often encounter with the final tidy up of the painting ready to varnish the whole carriage.

None are large jobs but they ALL need doing and doors often get left as people are using them all the time for access to the interior.

So a visit on a quiet day gave Dave the chance to complete the lining out on the middle door, and the remaining inside bits of the double doors and top coating the window frame where the new clear pane had been put in on Saturday and another top coat of the window section of the double door.

He also took the oppertunity to apply some of the little finishing touches that always get left to the end, namely the remaining top bars of door windows, door handles and stubs.

All so that we can start the varnishing on that side of the carriage on Thursday.

Finally he did some minor tidying up on the passenger door area on the wallside.

Amazing what you can get through with nobody else around to distract and require access to the bit you want to paint!

Well done Dave, now we can crack on with the varnishing.

Forward Planning

With the hoped for completion of the RBr 1672 in the workshop by the end of October some forward planning has been done.  

The plan is that RBr 1672 will be followed by the P/way Brake Gangwayed coach (also known as a Full Brake) BG 92350.

A lot of interior work and external repairs have already been done so it should mainly be a paint job, unlined maroon. That should take until about the end of November

 After that SO 4790 should move into the workshop, from the Barn. That should fit in nicely with the fact that during the winter shut down P/Way are planning to re-lay the track through Winchcombe station and so will severely limit our shunting capability.

SO 4790 should be finished and ready for the new season at the beginning of March. Now looking at the current pictures you may say 'pigs might fly', well C&W do have a reputation to keep up, so we will see!
What replaces SO 4790 in the barn is still under consideration.

The plan is also to overhaul the Commonwealth bogies we have where the axleboxes are jammed in the horn guides. This will be done in our workshop, and a pair of Commonwealth bogies will replace the grey GWR van. We have to obtain new pedestal liners for the axleboxes. Eight are needed for each bogie and they will cost at least £100.00 each. (So thats why they went to the West Somerset Railway, to learn how to do it!) 

The maintenance gang will start their full winter maintenance of the running sets in January. This will include brake adjustment and brake block replacement as necessary; axle oil box overhaul; buckeye lubrication and adjustment. A supply of new brake blocks has been ordered; a drum of axle box oil is probably required.

The completion of SO 4790 will give us seven fully refurbished and overhauled chocolate & cream coaches in the main rake. As Richard says 'That will be a credit to everyone at C&W'.

Thanks for both the information and your confidence.

We have busy times ahead.

Saturday, 22 October 2011

Saturday 22nd The Chairman's Visit.

A few weeks ago Malcolm Temple our Chairman agreed to visit C&W for a question and answer session this afternoon.
However, that didn't stop the 27 volunteers who came along from getting in some very worthwhile work time in the morning.

On the RBr W 1672 and I proudly give it its carriage number today as did Richard.

Here is Malcolm Temple with that newly numbered carriage..

When Richard turns up with the lettering and numbering you know the carriage is really nearing completion.

This time he had rather more to apply than usual. Did you know that
 'Buffet Restaurant Car'
on the side of a carriage is nearly 25 feet long!

and there is of course one on both sides. Then there are also the Crests to be applied.
They all go on after the second top coat and before the varnish. There is one door still in need of its yellow lines before that on this side.

On the other side we still have some work to do on a couple of doors and the subsequent painting once its done. 

I know this looks just like Wednesday's picture of John Hamer removing some door trim, but here he is actually applying a new section. 

While I was doing another section of the inevitable lining.

Hey, how did Cheryl get hold of the camera.

Paul fixed the shelving back in the kitchen area.

Andy Thompson ensured smooth and easy access through the corridor connector.

And while Martin Jauch was sitting down on the job he did carefully paint round the gas tape. So hopefully no 'Flanders ans Swann' scenarios for us to deal with.

and Richard and John turned up again fitting the clear glass requested for the washing up sink area of the kitchen.

and finally on the RBr Dave was touching up the door edges. Always the attention to detail.

It such attention across all the volunteers that makes the difference and gets the travelling public commenting so favourably about our railway.

On 4790

John Squires was checking the nut on another section of the vacuum pipe before fitting. It ran up easily. Obviously the threat of those stilsons was enough. 

There was also a lot of filling and rubbing down and grey painting going on in the barn.

Steve escaped the seat ends for the day getting to grips with fitting bits in the RBr , though I'm not sure what. However, he hasn't forgotten the seat ends as he remarked in passing that there is ten to go.

On 7221

or at least for 7221 Michael Jackson was busy sanding the interior window surrounds. 

The Meeting

Mid afternoon Malcolm Temple and Richard Drewitt joined us for the meeting, along with several other members of C&W who just came along today for the meeting. 

Now are Railway Directors like buses I ask myself. Yes, as Andy Goodman also showed up even if not for the meeting.

Joking apart it was good to see them and hear first hand how things are going and what some of the issues are. We hope they will be back fairly soon. The meeting was far ranging and open and no doubt much of what was discussed either has already been the subject of Board Briefings, or soon will be.

Thursday 20th

As I was late in on Saturday I didn't get a chance to find out what happened on Thursday. However, there was one very noticable step forward on 4790. The first new corner is now tack welded in place. There is still a long way to go but its a major step forward.

Thanks to Neil Carr for arranging to get the running set parked at platform 2 Wednesday night.

The washing sqad set to and washed that side. Its nice to let our visitors see the rolling Malvern Hills. Good job, well done.

Wednesday, 19 October 2011

Wednesday 19th

Another beautiful day for mid October and we had 21 willing volunteers on parade.

As I arrived the centre door of 7221 was being closely studied by Geoff Gore and John Groom. A quick question revealed the reluctance of the centre hinge bolt to let go so that the door could be taken into the workshop for restoration work. All the normal method of freeing the bolt, WD40 and large hammer and then a larger hammer, had thus far failed.

I left them to it when reinforcements with a 3' long section of solid wood appeared, some leverage had arrived.

In the workshop the wood work team were hard at it. Another interior door frame being overhauled and repaired.

For the RBr

Mike Blakeman was busy making a new door window trim.

While Dave Ward was making a new draw for the kitchen area, one had been missing but not anymore.

Hiding quietly round the back on the wall side Russ Smith was keeping the painting going with another section of the Black Line.

On 4790

John Hamer was tackling one of the centre doors, removing the trim strip down the side so that the door frame edge could be removed to repair or replace the frame section beneath. It transpires it will need replacing. So the edge section was completely remove to give adequate access.

Tony Skilham was filling and tidying the edge of the removed window prior to reinstalling the glass.

I added a coat of primer to a large section of the other side.

Out of sight in the upholstery carriage,

OK I know it looks like a Post Office Van but its REALLY an upholstery carriage.


Penny Dron was working on the armrests for the seats of 7221.

While John Hill and Penny's husband Dave were putting new cloth of the seat backs. 

They really do look good. A great job.

It just needs the rest of us to get the coach looking as good. 

Mentioning the rest of the carriage remember that door?

Well the lever worked, the bolt lost and the door is now well on the way to being stripped down.

Aluminium doors are great but using steel screws isn't so clever as they inevitable seize up and are very difficult to remove.


Out in the yard working in the sunshine on the Maroon rake was Steve Smith. He was busy fitting and adjusting the new charging control units. These are temperature compensated to ensure even in cold weather there is enough charge in the batteries.

Thanks Steve, we all like the lights to work when the train enters the tunnel.